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标题: 首次购买百利金，大家帮看看是M400还是M800好？ [打印本页]
作者: aimain    时间: 2007-3-16 09:12
标题: 首次购买百利金，大家帮看看是M400还是M800好？
听说百利金在书写上要比MB更游戏，打算购买百利金，大家帮看看是M400还是M800好？本人第一回接触百利金，问题比较菜鸟，请原谅。
作者: 雨后    时间: 2007-3-16 09:17
<p>400比800小，两个都是很经典。</p><p>可以先上400，再上800</p>[em02][em02]
作者: Gene    时间: 2007-3-16 09:19
上800吧。我第一支鸟就是800，用最多的也是800。
作者: woodylee    时间: 2007-3-16 10:20
m800
作者: slaoao    时间: 2007-3-16 10:24
<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>woodylee</i>在2007-3-16 10:20:40的发言：</b><br/>m800</div>木头兄入门标准也提高了．[em01]
作者: Yavit    时间: 2007-3-16 10:39
上支细尖的400，再上支粗尖的800 [em07]
作者: benben    时间: 2007-3-16 10:44
<p>首次的话, 还是M800吧</p>
作者: ckblue    时间: 2007-3-16 10:45
<p>我的手小</p><p>所以400</p><p></p>
作者: jjlys    时间: 2007-3-16 10:46
800适合男生用啊，400也很经典，呵呵。
作者: woodylee    时间: 2007-3-16 10:49
<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>slaoao</i>在2007-3-16 10:24:17的发言：</b><br/>木头兄入门标准也提高了．[em01]</div><p>我的入门标准是MB巴赫</p>
作者: 韦伯猫    时间: 2007-3-16 11:55
<p>我的随身配置是细一些笔尖的2支400和粗一些笔尖的M1000</p><p>400可以说是pelikan在钢笔时代最最经典的100的自然延续</p><p>800可以说是圆珠笔时代之后的pelikan的一个新设计中的经典。</p><p>这两支笔没有谁好谁坏的区别。小的灵活，适合长时间书写。大的沉稳，适合点滴思路的记录。</p><p>如果woodylee的入门标准是MB巴赫的话，那我的入门标准则是pelikan M250,M400，有了它，你其实也不一定需要M800，不会损失什么乐趣。</p>
作者: woodylee    时间: 2007-3-16 12:16
<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>韦伯猫</i>在2007-3-16 11:55:14的发言：</b><br/><p>如果woodylee的入门标准是MB巴赫的话，那我的入门标准则是pelikan M250,M400，有了它，你其实也不一定需要M800，不会损失什么乐趣。</p></div><p></p><p>[em06][em06][em06]</p><p>當然實用是M400就可,尺寸大小合宜是M600,可是樂趣卻是M800</p><p>M200真的不能真正体會PELIKAN!</p>
作者: 韦伯猫    时间: 2007-3-16 13:20
<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>woodylee</i>在2007-3-16 12:16:40的发言：</b><br/><p></p><p>[em06][em06][em06]</p><p>當然實用是M400就可,尺寸大小合宜是M600,可是樂趣卻是M800</p><p>M200真的不能真正体會PELIKAN!</p></div><p>我写的是250，不是200。</p>
作者: Gene    时间: 2007-3-16 13:49
<p>我有3支古典100， 尺寸很小，不过很实用。 ebay上也就140-170美金，比800便宜。</p><p>入门比选70年的149。没有遗憾啊。</p>
作者: woodylee    时间: 2007-3-16 13:53
<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>Gene</i>在2007-3-16 13:49:22的发言：</b><br/><p>我有3支古典100， 尺寸很小，不过很实用。 ebay上也就140-170美金，比800便宜。</p><p>入门比选70年的149。没有遗憾啊。</p></div><p></p><p>ELIKAN100N行價可要USD200以上!烏龜100漲到我都友情助標,寫個500-600!當然現在一隻都沒標到!</p><p>ELIKAN M200與M250不是都差不多,單色金尖?</p>
作者: Gene    时间: 2007-3-16 14:05
看货色，我才告到一支40年代左右100n，8。5成新的160加邮寄费。
作者: 韦伯猫    时间: 2007-3-16 14:26
<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>woodylee</i>在2007-3-16 13:53:22的发言：</b><br/><p></p><p></p><p>ELIKAN M200與M250不是都差不多,單色金尖?</p></div><p>老兄你不会把？</p><p>200是不锈钢的</p><p>250是金尖的。没错我就是推荐这款最低端的Pelikan金尖。不过可能我用过的都是1995年之前的。</p>
作者: TonyTsui    时间: 2007-3-16 14:32
如果一样要收M400, 是选新款的双色尖,还是老版的单色尖呢?
作者: benben    时间: 2007-3-16 14:44
<p>那是笔尖问题, 笔尖可以单买的.</p>
作者: TonyTsui    时间: 2007-3-16 15:26
<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>benben</i>在2007-3-16 14:44:04的发言：</b><br/><p>那是笔尖问题, 笔尖可以单买的.</p></div><p>听网上的朋友说, 旧版笔帽上的小鸟是两只, 新版的是1只...是不是这样呢?</p>
作者: Pelikanism    时间: 2007-3-16 15:39
<p>M400可以考虑F，M尖</p><p>M800可以考虑M，B，OB，BB……尖</p>
作者: kakadou    时间: 2007-3-16 17:22
啊，推荐老版m600啊！我前两天在ckblue那里买的，那18c的笔尖写起来简直无敌了啊～～～～我都直想把春节才买的146出了，就是下面mm回帖提意见拍摄角度的那个，聚雅老师还表扬了下……我都不好意思回，心虚啊。被pelikan勾去了一些魂魄………………[em04][em04]
作者: tiger0526    时间: 2007-3-16 17:38
我的建议是m600－－m400有点小（尤其是新手，会感觉实物比想象中的小很多），800用起来有点沉，600大小适中，而且价格也适中
作者: woodylee    时间: 2007-3-16 17:46
<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>韦伯猫</i>在2007-3-16 14:26:01的发言：</b><br/><p>老兄你不会把？</p><p>200是不锈钢的</p><p>250是金尖的。没错我就是推荐这款最低端的Pelikan金尖。不过可能我用过的都是1995年之前的。</p></div><p></p>HAAAA...我沒有M200
作者: slash    时间: 2007-3-16 22:38
<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>Yavit</i>在2007-3-16 10:39:50的发言：</b><br/>上支细尖的400，再上支粗尖的800 [em07]</div><p>同感！</p><p>400F尖大量快写，实用为主，亦宜把玩。</p><p>800B尖少量慢写，把玩为主，亦宜实用。</p>
作者: woodylee    时间: 2007-3-16 23:44
<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>slash</i>在2007-3-16 22:38:11的发言：</b><br/><p>同感！</p><p>400F尖大量快写，实用为主，亦宜把玩。</p><p>800B尖少量慢写，把玩为主，亦宜实用。</p></div><p></p>說的好...要適宜為(m400+m800)/2=m600
作者: 韦伯猫    时间: 2007-3-16 23:44
<p>400尺寸么，作为pelikan钢笔的经典</p><p>800尺寸么，作为当代Pelikan钢笔的经典。</p><p>事实上从300，400，600，800，1000，都是pelikan钢笔，他们只是大小不同，为的是让你找到你最合适的大小。并没什么贵贱之分。这就和网球拍的1号柄、2号柄、3号柄、4号柄、5号柄的道理是一样的。</p>
作者: 韦伯猫    时间: 2007-3-16 23:46
钢笔其实是有最佳尺寸的。最佳尺寸是什么？老Pelikan 100，parker 51这些，就是最佳尺寸。大又不=好。
作者: slash    时间: 2007-3-17 10:26
<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>韦伯猫</i>在2007-3-16 23:46:37的发言：</b><br/>钢笔其实是有最佳尺寸的。最佳尺寸是什么？老Pelikan 100，parker 51这些，就是最佳尺寸。大又不=好。</div><p>真理！！</p><p></p>
作者: tiger0526    时间: 2007-3-17 15:57
<p>老猫，尺寸要分人呀，手不一样大呀，握笔习惯也不一样呀，呵呵</p>
作者: duofoldest    时间: 2007-3-17 16:00
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma;">请问一下</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">,</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma;">所谓最佳尺寸如何求得</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">?</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma;">用</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">1.</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma;">物理推导</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">?</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">2.</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma;">自己感觉</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">?</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">3.</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma;">还是卖的多就是</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">”</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma;">真理</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">”</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;"><p></p></span></p>
作者: 章押司    时间: 2007-3-17 16:02
<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>duofoldest</i>在2007-3-17 16:00:31的发言：</b><br/><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma;">请问一下</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">,</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma;">所谓最佳尺寸如何求得</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">?</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;"><p></p></span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma;">用</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">1.</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma;">物理推导</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">?</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;"><p></p></span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">2.</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma;">自己感觉</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">?</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;"><p></p></span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">3.</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma;">还是卖的多就是</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">”</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma;">真理</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">”</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;"><p></p></span></p><p></p><p></p></div><p></p>当然是自己的感觉,别人都说好的,并不见得就适合自己...
作者: 韦伯猫    时间: 2007-3-17 16:06
<p>当然是从历史上找原因</p><p>parker的51，75真空，豆腐尺寸一样把？</p><p>pelikan 的100造了多少年？</p><p>现在pelikan的600尺寸，800尺寸，1000尺寸都是圆珠笔时代才发明的，市场接受了没错，但错过了钢笔的黄金时代，也没有机会经过什么历史的考验。</p>
作者: woodylee    时间: 2007-3-17 16:41
<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>duofoldest</i>在2007-3-17 16:00:31的发言：</b><br/><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">请问一下</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">,</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">所谓最佳尺寸如何求得</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">?</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;"><p></p></span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">用</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">1.</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">物理推导</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">?</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;"><p></p></span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">2.</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">自己感觉</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">?</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;"><p></p></span></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">3.</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">还是卖的多就是</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">”</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;">真理</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun;">”</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;"><p></p></span></p><p></p><p></p></div><p></p><p>最佳尺寸當然要靠人因工程經統計人手的大小or握筆方式而來!最重人因工程莫於LAMY,我想LAMY2000上下的範圍有80%可接受!</p><p>賣多不一定是,因為有偏好非一定是適用性!</p>
作者: duofoldest    时间: 2007-3-17 17:58
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">51,75</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma;">单一尺寸</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">(51demi</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma;">不算</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">)</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma;">但真空</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">,duofold</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma;">尺寸至少</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">5</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma;">种</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">,</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma;">以何为标准</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">?</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma;">就算单一尺寸的</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">51/75 </span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma;">合盖长</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">75</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma;">比</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">51</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma;">长</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">1cm,</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma;">笔盖套尾</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">75</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma;">比</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">51</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma;">长</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">1.3cm</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma;">基本上已经是</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">m800</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma;">与</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">m600</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma;">的差距</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;"><p>&nbsp;</p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">elikan 100</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma;">产于</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">1929/1930</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma;">但</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">1938</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma;">的</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">
                </span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">100N</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma;">比</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">100</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma;">长了几</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">mm</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma;">到</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">1950 </span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma;">的</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">pelikan 400</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma;">比</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">100N</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma;">更长</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma;">后来的</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">pelikan</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma;">越来越长</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma;">而且</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">pelikan 100</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma;">比</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">51</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma;">还短</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="ZH-CN" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma;">那到底标准是</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-fareast-font-family: SimSun; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN;">?</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;"><p></p></span></p>
作者: 韦伯猫    时间: 2007-3-17 18:01
<p>我说的是粗细和大体长度。而且这是个大约的尺寸。51到75到现在的sonnet直径和长度是差不多的，没错吧？</p><p>大号豆腐出来也没多少年把？</p>
作者: kakadou    时间: 2007-3-17 18:18
人体工程学叫“百分位”，95百分位就是说这个尺寸95％的人身体大小适合与此。估计比较早的产品都是按照大百分位的尺寸设计的，现代工业为了满足100％的人群，故设计不同的尺寸系列。
作者: victor_on_victo    时间: 2007-3-17 22:11
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作者: woodylee    时间: 2007-3-17 22:30
<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>kakadou</i>在2007-3-17 18:18:47的发言：</b><br/>人体工程学叫“百分位”，95百分位就是说这个尺寸95％的人身体大小适合与此。估计比较早的产品都是按照大百分位的尺寸设计的，现代工业为了满足100％的人群，故设计不同的尺寸系列。</div><p>說的好...任君挑選!</p>
作者: 简单    时间: 2007-3-18 10:57
<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>Yavit</i>在2007-3-16 10:39:50的发言：</b><br/>上支细尖的400，再上支粗尖的800 [em07]</div><p></p>同感
作者: aimain    时间: 2007-3-19 12:54
我的第一支好钢笔是英雄100，小学2年级买的，然后就是初三的时候买过一支钢卓，这一支笔陪我读完硕士，便再也不能使用了，读博的时候炒股票，挣了钱，全买了钢笔了，一支MB146，一支MB149，前些日子看了一些百利金的评估，想试试，没想到大家这么帮助，谢谢，我这支笔买回来应该是代替146记日记的，所以估计应该是400合适。
作者: suyuo    时间: 2007-3-19 20:24
<p>偶的起点比较低&nbsp; 一只白乌龟和一只从猫版那拍的西德版M400，400其实日常用还不错&nbsp;&nbsp; </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>做梦想来只大点好点&nbsp; 有金属特色的</p>[em01]
作者: 会计师    时间: 2007-12-16 12:50
直接上Ｍ800吧，玩百利金的人最后都要上Ｍ800的。原因嘛，Ｍ800有大笔的风范和气度。Ｍ400和200，看久了觉得略觉的有点小家子气。
作者: dogkiller    时间: 2007-12-16 18:04
普通的没劲，要TOLEDO的。[em05]
作者: 雨后    时间: 2007-12-16 18:13
<p>鸟的造型还是400大小典雅，800大小长筒状就不如MB的大笔协调感觉。</p><p>400还是800，取决于你的个人用笔习惯。</p>
作者: 韦伯猫    时间: 2007-12-16 20:19
<p>400，我还是推荐400.</p><p></p>
作者: kakadou    时间: 2007-12-16 21:19
<p>我的手比较大,800和400只是握笔处粗细的细微差别. 800的铜活塞重量刚好全部压在虎口, 所以写起字来笔身和400一样轻如鸿毛. 都是好笔. (到底手多大: 从手掌最底到中指尖24,50cm, 钢琴10度正好.)</p>
作者: zerro    时间: 2007-12-16 21:49
<p>这帖子太专业了！</p><p></p><p>真TMD长知识啊！</p>
作者: 万宝鹈鹕鸟    时间: 2007-12-16 22:24
<p>M800<a href="http://www.penbbs.com/dispuser.asp?id=697" target="_blank"></a></p>
作者: jingles    时间: 2007-12-16 23:47
M400
作者: 冰川    时间: 2007-12-17 01:07
除开手的大小外，还要取决与握笔的姿势
作者: pop1231    时间: 2007-12-17 08:04
M800
作者: dogkiller    时间: 2007-12-17 08:39
M900
作者: 大嘴鹈鹕    时间: 2007-12-17 09:26
M800[em08]
作者: jingles    时间: 2007-12-17 09:27
楼上的不厚道啊...[em12]
作者: jingles    时间: 2007-12-17 09:35
鸟的TOLEDO...加入银套以后...总体偏沉...不光是笔大的问题...俺用着少写几个字画个圈圈还可以...作为随身日常笔...体积,重量,便携性还是很重要的...400体积小...重量轻...作为日常笔还是非常不错的...TOLEDO除了1931那只(体积重量都很轻)...700系列的做日常也凑合了...但900系列的做日常...俺觉得不太合适...[em01]...至于说1931笔尖硬不爽...换啊...[em01]
作者: 黑白子    时间: 2007-12-17 10:47
<p>如果楼主日用能接受大点重点的笔，建议直接上800。</p><p>理由：有了800，就不会惦记普通版250、400、600什么的了~~</p>
作者: 章押司    时间: 2007-12-17 11:05
<p>m400.</p><p>[em01]</p>
作者: sky_r6    时间: 2007-12-17 11:16
<p>第一次买鸟的话，M250</p><p></p>
作者: woodylee    时间: 2007-12-17 11:43
日用m400,玩筆m800
作者: dogkiller    时间: 2007-12-17 17:17
日用M700，夜用M900。
作者: 言凡    时间: 2007-12-17 18:50
<p>我看日用M1000比较合适。</p>



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