原帖由 梦法师 于 2008-6-26 21:48 发表
第一瓶是什么？
原帖由 梦法师 于 2008-6-26 21:48 发表
第一瓶是什么？
原帖由 xwyst 于 2008-6-26 21:50 发表
lz说说看，哪种墨水最好用？以便参考
原帖由 DTrisGvEx 于 2008-6-26 22:25 发表
bump bump bump
原帖由 JackBauer 于 2008-6-26 21:59 发表
都很好用
但是我现在很反感鳗鱼黑，吸水后笔尖不易清理，不过倒是很适合潜艇
原帖由 Bobocat 于 2008-6-28 00:24 发表
這裏大家似乎比較少收Private Reserve唷.
原帖由 蓝色牧 于 2008-6-28 00:06 发表
看这俩放得欢的，真饱眼福阿~~我也来凑个热闹
顺便问一下JB，你那还有可以出的水洗蓝和水人蓝吗？还有啥墨水可以出的？
原帖由 旧王孙 于 2008-6-28 00:38 发表
小弟这边有家店同时经营鲇鱼和PR，我曾征询过老板意见，老板说据顾客反映PR的墨水太过浓稠，流动性不佳，因此小弟打消念头，因除担心书写不畅外，还有堵笔隐忧。
对小弟而言，墨水防水性能是必需的，而PR普遍 ...
原帖由 JackBauer 于 2008-6-28 00:42 发表
最后一段说得是，所以我是一边骂，一边用
没办法，教训惨痛，上次用皇家兰记录实验数据，一杯茶打翻在本子上，啥都没了
原帖由 Bobocat 于 2008-6-28 01:04 发表
其實我也想要好用的防水墨水. 但是寫來寫去, 還是AURORA黑在滑度, 顏色及手感上最最合口味. 雖不防水, 也只好持續用下去.
文章找到了，pentrace上的，转引如下，确实如兄所说，虽不防水，但抗水性也是一流。文中对Lamy黑也评价很高，Lamy黑我用过，确实不错，但在有的笔上，色调偏灰，而且不是很持久，刚写时很黑，第二天再看，变成灰色。
FPN上也有好几篇关于Aurora黑的评论文章，众口交誉
Black Ink Reviews (updated 09/20/2001) The search for the perfect black ink! by Rick Womer
Getting a new pen a couple of years ago started me looking for The Perfect Black Ink. I've collected black because I like it, and because my employer requires it. Collecting inks is also a lot cheaper than collecting pens! Recently, Ken Lopez joined this endeavor by shipping me five bottles of hard-to-find brands of black ink.
The collection stands at 16 brands, and I haven't found The Perfect One yet. Actually, there are different Perfect Ones for different pens, papers, and moods. The intensities, tones, flows, and lubricating properties all vary widely between brands, and they interact differently with different pens and papers. So, YMMV (Your Mileage May Vary).
There are several excellent black inks that I find myself using frequently: Aurora, Conway Stewart, DuPont, Lamy, Namiki, Pelikan/Cross, and Platinum. A few other inks are good, but have characteristics that I don't care for, including Herbin, Parker Quink, Shaeffer Skrip, and Waterman. Then there are a few really crummy ones whose manufacturers need to start over, including Montegrappa, Mont Blanc, Osmiroid, and (surprisingly) Private Reserve.
With those ritual caveats and disclaimers, herewith my impressions of sixteen black inks:
Aurora: The most intensely black, with a neutral color. Copious flow, so that it almost feels as though one is leaving a ridge of ink on the paper. Moderate spreading, but no feathering. Works wonderfully in my driest pen, and I haven't dared put it in my wettest! Excellent water resistance (some ink washes off, but dark, clearly legible writing is left behind). The tall, thin bottle with its narrow opening may be good for traveling, but unless you're steady enough to join the Bomb Squad you'll have ink all over your pen and fingers every time you refill. Also available in proprietary cartridges, which also fit Parker pens.
Conway Stewart Aromatherapy Black: I have no idea why "Aromatherapy" is on the bottle, because I can detect no odor at all. Maybe it's supposed to be a neutral base for aromatic additives. That's fine, because this is great ink as it is: an intense neutral black color with excellent flow, even in my most finicky pen (just shy of Aurora in both characteristics). The water resistance is almost as good as Aurora's, too. It outperforms Aurora in having no spreading (so my e's look like e's), and no feathering or soaking through. Another similarity to Aurora is that it dries slowly. The surface tension of this ink seems high, so that it sometimes "hangs up" in the top of a convertor and causes skipping, but I have had no problems in my piston-fill Pelikans. The small, squat bottle is going to be a pain once the ink is one-third gone, and those with Pelikan M1000s might have trouble immersing the nib even with a full bottle.
DuPont: Nice intense neutral black color and very good flow, both similar to Pelikan's. It has the best water resistance of the whole bunch, leaving a distinct black line behind. It smells like those "tempra" paints we used in elementary school. Elegant-looking squat bottle could use a filling aid.
Herbin: This stuff doesn't merely flow, it pours from the nib! The lubrication is excellent, so that the nib glides across almost any paper. In my "driest" pen (a Pelikan 400, surprisingly) the flow is moderate. The ink has a considerable tendency to spread, on a par with Quink or Skrip, and it shares Skrip's tendency to feather and soak through on cheap paper. It is a moderately intense, neutral black color. Excellent water resistance. Small, squat bottle will make it hard to fill a pen with a large nib once the ink is more than a third gone. Overall, very similar to Skrip and a lot more expensive. I am told that this is a new formulation with a new label, and that the old version was better.
Lamy: Well-saturated, as intensely black as Aurora or Pelikan, and neutral in tone. The flow is good, but not quite as generous as Pelikan's, and not nearly as heavy as Aurora's or Waterman's. No spreading or feathering. Fair water resistance, leaving fuzzy greenish writing behind. The bottle is outstanding: The glass part is shaped like a mushroom, with the stem permitting the filling of large-nibbed pens even when the ink is running low. A plastic housing surrounds the "stem" of the mushroom to keep the bottle from tipping, and it houses a roll of plastic-backed absorbent paper for wiping the end of the pen and the nib. Neat!
Mont Blanc: Moderately black, with a "warm" (slightly reddish or brownish) tone. Sparse flow and poor lubrication. Little spreading. No water resistance at all, so that it disappears without a trace when wetted. On some papers, it fades to a brown over several months or a few years. Great bottle, third behind Lamy and Skrip in intelligent and useful design. Pity the ink inside is so bad. Also available in international cartridges.
Montegrappa: Intensity is on the weak side of moderate, and the tint is olive-green. Sparse flow, poor lubrication, and only slightly better water resistance than Mont Blanc. In fact, this ink is just like Mont Blanc, with a sickly green tinge. I have heard that this is a new formulation, and that the old recipe was much better, which is a shame.
Omas: Only fair saturation, just a notch more intense than Waterman. Rather sparse flow-well less than Pelikan/Cross, but better than MontBlanc. The color is neutral, and water resistance is good. No spreading or feathering. Striking octagonal bottle carries over the shape of Omas pens, but offers nothing clever to help filling.
Osmiroid: Weak brownish color. Poor flow. Little spreading. Poor water resistance. Cheap, and you get what you pay for. In bottles or international cartridges.
Namiki: Excellent flow, on a par with Pelikan, though it spreads slightly more than Pelikan, and has a greater tendency to soak through. It has a neutral black color that is similar to Quink in intensity but is more neutral in tone. Very good water resistance. The oblate, round bottle is a thing of beauty, and a clever internal plastic well makes filling easy as the ink level descends.
Parker Quink: Moderately black, with a "cool" (blue-grey) tint. Moderate flow. Moderate spreading. Good water resistance. I'm tempted to try mixing it with Aurora, as they are both acidic according to Greg Clark's book. Also available in proprietary cartridges, which (I think) also fit Aurora pens.
Pelikan/Cross: Intensely black, almost as intense as Conway Stewart and Aurora. Very good flow. Little spreading. Good water resistance (lots of ink washes off but legible black characters are left behind). This has become my standard ink, for its combination of properties rather than any one trait. Also available in short international cartridges (Pelikan label) and proprietary Cross cartridges (which only fit Cross pens).
Platinum: Slightly deeper black than Namiki, but not as deep as Pelikan; nice neutral tone. Very good flow, with good lubrication. Spreads slightly on the page but has little tendency to soak through. Very good water resistance. Comes in a 30 ml bottle with a tiny little opening, but at least the bottle isn't tall and thin like Aurora.
Private Reserve Velvet Black: Moderate intensity, with a marked "warm" (reddish-brownish) tone. Flow is fair, as is lubrication. This stuff reminds me of Mont Blanc, though its flow and lubrication are slightly better and water resistance is much better. The wide-mouth bottle is easy to use, but if your pen has a large nib it will be hard to fill after the ink is half gone (if PR and Aurora would just get their bottle designers together...). PR generally has intensely colored inks, so this wimpish stuff surprised me.
Shaeffer Skrip: Moderately black, with a neutral tone. Good flow, but severe spreading-it feathers whenever slight defects are encountered in good paper, and bleeds right through many lesser papers. The spreading and feathering are a problem even with a "dry" pen. Excellent water resistance. Comes in a very intelligent bottle with a small well along the rim. This ink would be a winner if not for the spreading and bleeding. Also available in proprietary cartridges which only fit Shaeffer pens.
Waterman: Weak, blue-grey color; only appealing if the resulting variation in intensity as the pen speeds up and slows down appeals to you. Excellent flow, almost as luxuriant as Aurora, with little spreading. Very good water resistance. This ink feels so good it would be my first choice if only it were more intensely black. Also available in long international cartridges.
原帖由 Bobocat 于 2008-6-28 01:42 发表
其實AURORA黑的耐水度在普通墨水中算極佳的了.
我作過實驗, 八十磅的一般打印紙. 用AURORA黑寫上字後拿去用洗手枱用熱水沖一分鐘. 字會變淡但是不會消失. 仍然清楚易讀. 這當然比不上鯰魚防彈的強悍. 但是已經比 ...
原帖由 haliluya_2007 于 2008-6-28 07:49 发表
请问鸟的4001耐水耐光怎么样？
原帖由 Orc_King 于 2008-7-14 12:23 发表
DTrisGvEx兄不输LZ啊
鲶鱼的墨水写在纸上有点洇 也不是所有的墨水都是十全十美啊` ，好水啊，我喜欢。
推荐2种国内的能买的的吧原帖由 DTrisGvEx 于 2008-6-26 22:25 发表
bump bump bump
原帖由 jimhgh 于 2008-7-22 20:15 发表
DTrisGvEx兄，很感兴趣你是一根笔用不同墨水还是每种墨水配一根笔？
你的墨水真多啊～
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