旗舰之争(水人，犀非利，高仕，派克)

glaciers

<p><font size="6"><strong>Waterman Man 100</strong><br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;</font></p><p><strong><em><font size="4">atrician</font></em></strong></p><p><br/></p><p><strong><em><font size="3">Green Wood<br/></font></em></strong><br/><br/></p><p><strong><em>Solid Sterling Silver<br/></em></strong><br/><br/><br/><br/></p><p><font size="6"><strong>arker Duofold Centennial </strong></font></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br/></p><p><font size="3"><strong><em>Cross Gold Filled Townsend (14K Fine)</em></strong></font></p><p><br/><br/></p><p><font size="3"><strong><em>Cross&nbsplatinum Plated Townsend (18K Fine)</em></strong></font></p><p><br/><br/></p><p><font size="6"><strong>Sheaffer Legacy I</strong></font></p><p><font size="6"><strong><font size="3"><em>Red Lacquer and Solid Sterling</em></font></strong></font></p><br/><br/><p>先上图，以后再写感受。<br/></p>

[此贴子已经被作者于2007-12-27 8:35:56编辑过]

glaciers

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>Bobocat</i>在2007-12-30 22:12:24的发言：</b><br/>現代多福和M100根本就是表兄弟來的。除了上蓋方式不同，其他相似之處太多。<div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"/></div><div>個人是比較喜歡M100。 &nbsp;可能是因為定位的關係，水人的用料比較高檔。各種不同材質及工法的運用也多。</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"/></div><div>多福的變化雖多，大多只是在花色上作變化。一成不變的膠桿。日用是好，但是感覺上較無趣。近來雖出了銀版，金版。但是價格極高， 設計上卻也沒有達到當年M100 Etoile LE 的境地，買銀多福還不如買CP5。個人感覺，CP 就算出M100的版本，只怕也沒法子超越Etoile。所以他們很聰明的沒打M100的主意。不過當然可能也是因為M100的壽命短些。沒Classic到那個地步。</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"/></div><div>總之，多福還是不可好得的好筆。實用是派克的精神。喜歡與否主要還是個人取向的主觀。</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"/></div></div><p>Bobocat说得很对，两支笔除了笔夹不同外，外观基本是一样的，真不知是谁抄了谁？据说是Man100推出在前，派克看到Man100的成功很眼红，就从箱底挖出来多福。</p>

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我说:最喜欢遗产.

Bobocat

現代多福和M100根本就是表兄弟來的。除了上蓋方式不同，其他相似之處太多。<div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"/></div><div>個人是比較喜歡M100。  可能是因為定位的關係，水人的用料比較高檔。各種不同材質及工法的運用也多。</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"/></div><div>多福的變化雖多，大多只是在花色上作變化。一成不變的膠桿。日用是好，但是感覺上較無趣。近來雖出了銀版，金版。但是價格極高， 設計上卻也沒有達到當年M100 Etoile LE 的境地，買銀多福還不如買CP5。個人感覺，CP 就算出M100的版本，只怕也沒法子超越Etoile。所以他們很聰明的沒打M100的主意。不過當然可能也是因為M100的壽命短些。沒Classic到那個地步。</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"/></div><div>總之，多福還是不可好得的好筆。實用是派克的精神。喜歡與否主要還是個人取向的主觀。</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"/></div>

zongtong

看来什么时候也搞支犀飞利玩玩，喜欢海军上将那种的，不是那款永生仿的最多的那种。写起来什么感觉啊？

lonlycat0

<p>原来是这样啊，学习了。</p><p>楼主这支整体纯银，够贵气，与后来的只有笔帽和笔管是纯银的man100比较的确是亮丽很多。</p><p>谢谢<font face="Verdana"><font color="#61b713"><strong>Bobocat</strong></font><font color="#000000">兄。</font></font></p>

Bobocat

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>lonlycat0</i>在2007-12-30 23:04:44的发言：</b><br/><p><font face="Verdana" color="#61b713"><strong>Bobocat</strong><font color="#000000">兄是台湾的朋友吗？坛子注册时间虽短但是见识和评论好老到啊。</font></font></p><p><font face="Verdana">银豆腐和银的man100感觉根本就没有用心思设计，就是换了换材质，一打眼还以为是同一支笔，那个直线的纹路谈不上什么工艺，不能给我足够的视觉冲击。</font></p><p><font face="Verdana">CP系列国内似乎是买不到的吧，以aurora88为基础的CP3真是太帅了。</font></p></div><p>您說對了. 我確實是台灣的.&nbsp;不過老到這二字是不敢當的.&nbsp;只是話多, 並不代表見識真的足夠, 要和大家學習的地方還很多呢.</p><p>您提到多福及M100的相似度, 個人十分同意, 看照片, 真的如果是相近顏色又是筆蓋合上的話, 有時還真要花上幾秒來判別一下...呵呵. 我也認為後期用上黑色膠尾的銀M100沒什麼意思. 不過樓主這隻是早期的全銀版, 更加稀有, 也美觀. 所以還是一隻好筆囉. </p><p>至於那個直線紋路...這個花樣有個典故, 歐洲人叫Godron. 這是一種傳統花紋. 幾乎各家大廠在貴金筆上都有做(如MB),&nbsp;這些個傳統花紋還有其他的, 如Barley(菱紋), CP3的其中一隻叫伊利亞特的就是用這種菱紋(AURORA的銀OPTIMA也是).&nbsp; 確實, 像Godron這種直條統確實是沒什麼創新, 不過似乎歐洲人就喜歡在銀筆上用這類花紋. 覺得那是典雅古風吧. </p><p>也正是因為如此, 像CP3奧德塞那樣子漂亮的花紋, 也就顯得極為特別及難得了了.</p>

lonlycat0

<p>哈哈，谢谢楼主和楼上<strong><font face="Verdana" color="#61b713">Bobocat</font></strong>兄的指教。</p><p>明星man100,那个花纹更加漂亮些，嘿嘿，小弟的梦想之一。</p><p>艾臣，感觉在设计上跟派克100有很多相通甚至相似的地方，比如笔帽，还有固定笔帽的那个小装置。</p><p>豆腐最近似乎很不招人待见呐，小弟觉得开会的时候做笔记还是蛮好的，写的够快。</p>

glaciers

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>benben</i>在2007-12-27 13:04:50的发言：</b><br/><p>手感这玩意确实见仁见智。</p><p>&nbsp;水人的旗舰我推崇EDSON,Man100写过，可能是我那只不太好，有首笔断墨现象</p><p>犀飞利的PFM我也写过，笔握太粗，笔尖又短，而且笔尖尖端有点上翘，类似中国美工笔，握着不太舒服</p><p>高士没用过；</p><p>派克我还是喜欢老的，真空、premier都不错，卓尔也还行，豆腐没写的欲望，感觉就是一个豆腐壳子、卓尔的内核在卖钱。</p></div><p>我听过很多人说Edson的好处，我相信这是一支值得拥有的笔，所以明年我打算进一支玩玩。首笔断墨发生在Man100上，很可能是质量问题。如果清洗和换墨水无法解决问题，应该送原厂修理。据说犀飞利的遗产I 和PFM的外形很象，但我觉得握着很舒服，至少要比笔杆稍细的Paker100更舒服些。老派克笔尖肯定让人着迷，可惜本人功夫还没有到家，未敢涉足此地，实在遗憾。说起豆腐，我觉得笔尖的感觉还不如同时代的派克100。</p>

爱情差班生

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>glaciers</i>在2007-12-28 10:42:15的发言：</b><br/><p>已经说过两个上水方式是一样的，都可以用TD上水外和用卡式上水。</p></div><p>再挖了一下FPN，果然是我看错了。附上详细Legacy系列比较：</p><p>* The Legacy 2 has an integral touchdown filling mechanism and the Heritage has had this feature deleted and replaced with a far cheaper piston converter.<br/>* The Legacy 2 has its barrel chamber sealed with an o-ring gasket, which effectively prevents any ink leakage from the pens barrel chamber. This is a consideration if your pen may be subject to changes in atmospheric pressure as frequenly occurs during air travel. The Heritage model lacks this o-ring seal as its piston filler does not require the control of air pressure in the barrel chamber and it probably saves Sheaffer/Bic a few cents to omit it.<br/>* The Legacy 2 has a MSRP $75 higher than the Heritage.<br/>* Legacy and Legacy 2 from 1995-2004 had an MSRP of $275.00.<br/>* Legacy Heritage 2005 MSRP was $200.00.<br/>* The Heritage model is only offered with fine or medium size nib. <br/><br/>The Legacy Heritage is still undoubtedly an exceptionally fine writing instrument but be aware, it has been produced with changes that make its manufacture more economical and which sacrifice some of the unique features of its predecessor. <br/><br/>roduced in limited numbers the Sheaffer Legacy is made almost entirely by hand! Definitely not a unit of mass production. This is evident from moment you pick up this fountain pen.<br/><br/>Its external appearance is almost an exact replica of the famed Sheaffer "en For Men" (PFM), but the PFM was made of injection molded plastic and was never offered in a platinum finish.<br/><br/>The Sheaffer Legacy 2 is the improved version of the original 1990's vintage Sheaffer Legacy fountain pen. The Legacy's introduction sought to emulate and capitalize on the nostalgia associated with one of Sheaffer's most successful and respected classic pens; the 1959 Sheaffer "en For Men".<br/><br/>The difference between the original Legacy and the Legacy 2 are slight but distinctive:<br/><br/>The Legacy has squared corners at the cap and filler knob ends which resulted in an unacceptable level of production flaws and were prone to denting. The Legacy 2 has ends which are rounded.<br/><br/>The Legacy has raised studs to retain the cap. The Legacy 2 has a compression ring and decorative gold accent ring, which provides a better air seal and is more attractive.<br/><br/>It was found in production, that the sharp edges that replicate the lines of the PFM, were difficult to finish without excessive quality control rejections. The filler knob on the Legacy 2 is all metal and has rounded edges in place of the Legacy’s sharper edges on its plastic filler knob.<br/><br/>The nib sections of the Legacy and Legacy 2 are not interchangeable.<br/><br/>Both Legacy 1 and Legacy 2 are no longer in production having been replaced by the Legacy "Heritage" model. I imagine this was a cost cutting measure as the Heritage lacks the "touchdown" filler mechanism, (A very sad thing for Sheaffer Pen lovers.), and retails for $75.00 less than the Legacy 2.<br/><br/>The Legacy 1 and 2 may be the last of the truly great Sheaffers. Both were introduced before Sheaffer was acquired by BIC.<br/><br/>The nib section of the Legacy 2 and the latest edition, Legacy Heritage, are interchangeable but sadly, the Heritage model is only available with a fine or medium size nib. <br/><br/>The Sheaffer Pen Company, the last quality pen manufacturer in the U.S.A., now owned by the BIC Corporation of France, is slated to end operations May 1, 2006, with production scheduled to be moved overseas. <br/><br/>The Sheaffer name will remain but the roots of its legacy and heritage (pun intended) in the town of its foundation will have been severed.<br/><br/>Sheaffer no longer makes a pen that approaches the superlative quality of the Legacy and Legacy 2. Under BIC ownership it is unlikely that they ever will again.<br/><br/>Both the Legacy and Legacy 2 have the look and styling of the classic1950's Sheaffer PFM snorkel filler, but are made of modern materials and have a unique filling mechanism utilizing the "Touchdown" system for filling from an ink bottle and allowing the use of ink cartridges as well.<br/><br/><br/>· 18k gold, inlaid, size medium nib, is marked: SHEAFFER 18K .750 U.S.A. <br/><br/>· Nib is hand cast and hand set in the traditional Sheaffer way to assure ultimate quality.<br/><br/>· PFM styling.<br/><br/>· Polished 23K gold filled cap and pocket clip.<br/><br/>· Cap band is marked: SHEAFFER U.S.A.<br/><br/>· Sheaffer's famed white dot logo is set by hand.<br/><br/>· A lifetime warranty.<br/><br/>This is truly one of the very finest writing instruments ever made. Once you feel its substantial quality in your hand and test the smoothness and flexibility of its 18K gold nib, you'll see for yourself why this flagship of the Sheaffer line sets the standard for the world's finest fountain pens.</p>

lonlycat0

<p><font face="Verdana" color="#61b713"><strong>Bobocat</strong><font color="#000000">兄是台湾的朋友吗？坛子注册时间虽短但是见识和评论好老到啊。</font></font></p><p><font face="Verdana">银豆腐和银的man100感觉根本就没有用心思设计，就是换了换材质，一打眼还以为是同一支笔，那个直线的纹路谈不上什么工艺，不能给我足够的视觉冲击。</font></p><p><font face="Verdana">CP系列国内似乎是买不到的吧，以aurora88为基础的CP3真是太帅了。</font></p>

glaciers

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>lonlycat0</i>在2007-12-28 10:53:56的发言：</b><br/><p>楼主的这个是不是所谓的sample或者原型笔?印象里普通纯银man100握位和笔尾都是塑料的，比枫丹白露要重吗？</p></div><p>我知道有两种纯银，一种是笔的两端是黑色的，另一种是两端都是银的。不清楚后者是否就是所谓的sample或者原型笔，但全银的看上去更优雅些。Man100的笔杆和笔帽都是铜胎，所以都有些重。当然全银的比枫丹白露更重些。</p>

Bobocat

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>lonlycat0</i>在2007-12-28 10:53:56的发言：</b><p>楼主的这个是不是所谓的sample或者原型笔?印象里普通纯银man100握位和笔尾都是塑料的，比枫丹白露要重吗？</p></div><p>這一隻是早期版本, 握位及尾部都是銀製. 後期版本的銀筆才改為黑色塑料. 早期版本更為稀有.</p><p>楓丹白露雖有銅製內管, 不過由於外管是木製, 實際上並不重. 全銀版的理論上會比楓丹白露重.&nbsp;</p>

lonlycat0

<p>昨天就看贴了，但是一直犹豫怎么回</p><p>好吧，其实我想说——统统定下！然而现在无有闲米</p><p>[em06]</p><p>楼主的这个是不是所谓的sample或者原型笔?印象里普通纯银man100握位和笔尾都是塑料的，比枫丹白露要重吗？</p>

glaciers

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>爱情差班生</i>在2007-12-28 8:30:58的发言：</b><br/><p>呵呵，这个了解的。不过貌似SKY兄忘了对比另外一点：LegacyII除和Legcay一样用TD上水外，还可以用卡式上水；同时也因为如此，上水时需要进行两次抽拉动作（手头没笔，不过据网上说是这样）。</p></div><p>已经说过两个上水方式是一样的，都可以用TD上水外和用卡式上水。</p>

爱情差班生

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>glaciers</i>在2007-12-28 3:16:53的发言：</b><br/><p>遗产I和遗产II上水方式相同，其不同出见sky_r6大侠的“遗产I与II的对比赏析”一文：<a href="http://www.penbbs.com/viewthread.php?tid=10467">http://www.penbbs.com/viewthread.php?tid=10467</a></p></div><p>呵呵，这个了解的。不过貌似SKY兄忘了对比另外一点：LegacyII除和Legcay一样用TD上水外，还可以用卡式上水；同时也因为如此，上水时需要进行两次抽拉动作（手头没笔，不过据网上说是这样）。</p>

Bobocat

Waterman Silver M100.<div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"/></div><div>正宗好筆。</div>

爱情差班生

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>glaciers</i>在2007-12-27 14:31:18的发言：</b><br/><p>有，我曾经在<a href="http://www.isellpens.com/sheaffer.htm">http://www.isellpens.com/sheaffer.htm</a>买过，现在还在卖。另外Ebay上也常能见到<a href="http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&amp;_trksid=m37&amp;satitle=sheaffer+legacy+fountain&amp;category0">http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&amp;_trksid=m37&amp;satitle=sheaffer+legacy+fountain&amp;category0</a>=。</p><br/></div><p>isellpens貌似只有Legacy, 但不知是有意还是无意，其中一款Legacy 列做Legacy2了。Legacy2可以TouchDown和卡式上水，貌似性价比更高。最近正联系penseller.com，想搞只NOS Legacy2。</p>

songbomath

遗产!我喜欢！

glaciers

在这四支笔中，我最喜欢的水人的Man 100,笔的造型很传统，但有现代加工的精致。更重要的是笔尖的手感很好，用此笔写字很润滑，但又有入木三分的感觉，所以写字时不需用力，只需将笔尖轻轻放在纸上，就感觉笔尖被吸在纸面。引用阿财年终总结中所说“这是支将我起伏思绪压伏，使我心境平和的一支笔”。笔尖稍硬，但还是有些弹性，曾经看到有人用“铁骨柔肠”形容它的笔尖，我觉得这样的描述很神似。另外笔尖对墨水和纸张不挑剔。我还有一支黑的Man100没有上图，因为那支笔还没有上墨，而且外观没有上墨的三支漂亮，但平和内敛的人肯定会喜欢这支黑色的。